Comments on: Politics in Grindcore – Are they necessary? http://www.grindcore.org/2009/03/11/politics-in-grindcore-are-they-necessary/ Grindcore music, grindcore bands, grindcore musicians, grindcore album reviews and more at GRINDCORE.ORG Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:42:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: infested http://www.grindcore.org/2009/03/11/politics-in-grindcore-are-they-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-18 infested Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:34:08 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=25#comment-18 Thank you guys very much for your perspectives, I can agree for the most part. I'm glad you all like the site so far. There's plenty more things to come! Spread the word, and thanks for the support! Thank you guys very much for your perspectives, I can agree for the most part.

I’m glad you all like the site so far. There’s plenty more things to come!

Spread the word, and thanks for the support!

]]> By: Guy http://www.grindcore.org/2009/03/11/politics-in-grindcore-are-they-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Guy Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:16:10 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=25#comment-10 Gore in Grindcore - Is it necessary? Sex in Grindcore - Is it necessary? >> grindcore bands tend only to support staunch modern leftist/democratic ideas Yeah, for sure - as every consistent form of degenerated art does. Only black metal pinguins didn't get this. >> In truth, politics lose their value because they are discussed so much on television, in schools, at work, and anywhere else. It seems to me that TV and schools mainly teach state or corporate views on politics, don't they? It also seems to me that everybody also talks of sex and that gore and sex themes are already covered in a much more spectacular way in movies. Much more than politics (at least on the US market). If grindcore is really art - it is freedom of expression. Why arguing that it should avoid talking about a theme or another? Everything is politics, including denying politics and looking elsewhere when some guys manage with your life and future. If a grindcore band has a clever and strong political statement to share, let's put it in music. When I read interviews of death or black metal bands, I immediately understand why I turned into grindcore. By the way, that page is great and I'm just waiting for its future development. Guy (France) Gore in Grindcore – Is it necessary?
Sex in Grindcore – Is it necessary?

>> grindcore bands tend only to support staunch modern leftist/democratic ideas
Yeah, for sure – as every consistent form of degenerated art does. Only black metal pinguins didn’t get this.

>> In truth, politics lose their value because they are discussed so much on television, in schools, at work, and anywhere else.
It seems to me that TV and schools mainly teach state or corporate views on politics, don’t they? It also seems to me that everybody also talks of sex and that gore and sex themes are already covered in a much more spectacular way in movies. Much more than politics (at least on the US market).

If grindcore is really art – it is freedom of expression. Why arguing that it should avoid talking about a theme or another? Everything is politics, including denying politics and looking elsewhere when some guys manage with your life and future.

If a grindcore band has a clever and strong political statement to share, let’s put it in music. When I read interviews of death or black metal bands, I immediately understand why I turned into grindcore.

By the way, that page is great and I’m just waiting for its future development.

Guy (France)

]]> By: Rejectamenta http://www.grindcore.org/2009/03/11/politics-in-grindcore-are-they-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Rejectamenta Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:15:46 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=25#comment-7 10th anniversary of our fine record. We want to give it to you for free: http://rapidshare.com/files/214337339/Rejectamenta_Blackpeace__Split_E.P_.rar 10th anniversary of our fine record. We want to give it to you for free:
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]]> By: PJ http://www.grindcore.org/2009/03/11/politics-in-grindcore-are-they-necessary/comment-page-1/#comment-5 PJ Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:48:03 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=25#comment-5 I think you'll find a fair share of political (or anti-political) themes in a majority of different genres of music. I don't believe it is more prevalant in grind than the topic of homicide or "gore" related themes. The problem here is this, a vast majority of the bands out there passing themselves off as grind are honestly horrid. They are cookie-cutter growl/blast bands ranting and raving about the last corpse they fisted or why religion is a farce. It was fun and original at one point but I believe the genre is getting ridiculously watered down by these talentless, visionless, clones. The topic of politics in extreme music has also been covered since the beginning but at least politics is a constantly changing source of ideals and problems. Whether it's the war in Iraq, Global Warming, Communism, Or a chimp being put to death for ripping a woman's face off, picking up the morning paper and perusing the front page is enough for a decent 37 tracks (20 minutes) of material to pull from. It takes the ability to perceive and structure rather than a snuff film and a thesaurus. That's why politics hasn't gotten old. Is it a trademark of Grindcore music? No, I don't believe it is. No more than it is a trademark in alternative, rock, thrash, country, any of it. Grindcore is an aggressive, chaotic, and cathartic sound - lyrical themes need to coincide with that sound or else it's simply taking away from the overall essence. It's whatever it is that pisses you off. And politics really pisses alot of people off. Gore is easy, and unfortunately I believe alot of it is stupid. Because I don't buy into it. I don't mean to take anything away from Carcass, but I don't think Jeff Walker is out there sodomizing cadavers on a friday night. It's musical dungeons and dragons. But I do believe that Barney Greenway is seriously pissed off about organized religion utilizing their propaganda to control a gullible society. But I suppose it's whatever blows your hair back. I love Grind music, I love music in general. But at the end of the day, when these dudes or any other musicians out there ranting and raving on stage with a microphone in hand lay their heads down on their pillows at night, that's all they are is musicians. They're not curing cancer, they're not knee deep in it in the middle east. They sing songs and they help give direction I suppose to those looking for that kind of catharsis. One could even argue that the simple label of Grind and it's characteristics are so difficult to pinpoint and categorize because in that light it offers bands the opportunity to use that sound as a basis to go in any musical direction that they choose to. The fury of bands like Napalm Death and Repulsion molded the sound as much as a band like the slow droning Swans influenced it. Perhaps we are better off not breaking down what this phenomenon is. Maybe we should just call it what it really is, the new punk. Because as the morning papers get more and more fucked up, Punk just won't cut it anymore. Dig the site man, hope you keep at it. I think you’ll find a fair share of political (or anti-political) themes in a majority of different genres of music. I don’t believe it is more prevalant in grind than the topic of homicide or “gore” related themes. The problem here is this, a vast majority of the bands out there passing themselves off as grind are honestly horrid. They are cookie-cutter growl/blast bands ranting and raving about the last corpse they fisted or why religion is a farce. It was fun and original at one point but I believe the genre is getting ridiculously watered down by these talentless, visionless, clones. The topic of politics in extreme music has also been covered since the beginning but at least politics is a constantly changing source of ideals and problems. Whether it’s the war in Iraq, Global Warming, Communism, Or a chimp being put to death for ripping a woman’s face off, picking up the morning paper and perusing the front page is enough for a decent 37 tracks (20 minutes) of material to pull from. It takes the ability to perceive and structure rather than a snuff film and a thesaurus. That’s why politics hasn’t gotten old.

Is it a trademark of Grindcore music? No, I don’t believe it is. No more than it is a trademark in alternative, rock, thrash, country, any of it. Grindcore is an aggressive, chaotic, and cathartic sound – lyrical themes need to coincide with that sound or else it’s simply taking away from the overall essence. It’s whatever it is that pisses you off. And politics really pisses alot of people off. Gore is easy, and unfortunately I believe alot of it is stupid. Because I don’t buy into it. I don’t mean to take anything away from Carcass, but I don’t think Jeff Walker is out there sodomizing cadavers on a friday night. It’s musical dungeons and dragons. But I do believe that Barney Greenway is seriously pissed off about organized religion utilizing their propaganda to control a gullible society. But I suppose it’s whatever blows your hair back. I love Grind music, I love music in general. But at the end of the day, when these dudes or any other musicians out there ranting and raving on stage with a microphone in hand lay their heads down on their pillows at night, that’s all they are is musicians. They’re not curing cancer, they’re not knee deep in it in the middle east. They sing songs and they help give direction I suppose to those looking for that kind of catharsis.

One could even argue that the simple label of Grind and it’s characteristics are so difficult to pinpoint and categorize because in that light it offers bands the opportunity to use that sound as a basis to go in any musical direction that they choose to. The fury of bands like Napalm Death and Repulsion molded the sound as much as a band like the slow droning Swans influenced it. Perhaps we are better off not breaking down what this phenomenon is. Maybe we should just call it what it really is, the new punk. Because as the morning papers get more and more fucked up, Punk just won’t cut it anymore.

Dig the site man, hope you keep at it.

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