Deathcore confusion
Here’s a question most of us would like to hear an answer to, if we don’t already know it:
What makes grindcore what it is?
“‘These kids on MySpace and Headbanger’s Ball with the lame breakdown death metal bands really need to quit calling that crap grindcore — it’s offensive,’ chides bassist James Delgado of Dallas grinders Kill the Client about this most grating of pet peeves. And he’s right, you know.” – Scott Alisoglu, “Kill the Client: The Art of Grinding,” Metal Maniacs, February 2009, vol. 26, no. 2, p. 92.
vivalaranter attempts to dissolve the confusion of death metal and grindcore with metalcore and deathcore:
The point he makes about grindcore is that it doesn’t contain any faux and random bits for the sake of “complexity” and “depth”.
Grindcore is simple and straightforward, and doesn’t weaken itself to try and dazzle us and our friends at parties with guitar squeaks and pig squeals.
Now, in posting this, I’m not encouraging a battle between TRUE/FALSE GRINDCAWR because there’s really no point. This is what angsty teens bicker about with each other on band forums. There’s really no such thing as “true grindcore”, because that is irrelevant to what makes the music, but there is such a thing as false and bad music.
By figuring out what kind of music doesn’t do anything for us, all we have left is the music that DOES do something for us just from listening to it — this has little to do with the people who listen to it or the kinds of hairstyles or clothes or album art the band members have — I suppose the music that can do this is what you would call your “true grindcore”.
What we should learn from this is what we really want out of the music we listen to.
Do we want good sound? Anyone can do this with the right studio producer and equipment. Good sound is important sometimes, but did Carcass need it?
Do we want the best technicality? Anyone with the time to go to Berklee School of Music can learn to play guitar like Yngwie Malmsteen, but theywon’t necessarily learn learn to put powerful music together like Carcass or Ludwig van Beethoven.
Do we want the best image? For the most part, grindcore imagery is very consistent. This is where death metal got their imagery from. This isn’t what we listen to the music for… Is it?
The truth is that “good grindcore” tends to have a very sturdy musical “structure”. It’s easy to follow, but the way it works itself out is heavy and powerful.
As a closing example, I give you Carcass:
interesting topic – as ever here. But to me, vivalaranter’s statement is certainly far from grindcore values: it’s mainly a way to expose his machist & homophobic “personality” – if this is really death metal, I’d just throw my CDs away (already did it with my black metal collection).
why is this homophobic shit on a site called grindcore.org?
ND, agathocles, assuck, brutal truth would be fucking disgusted.
I’m afraid it’s the fault of the video’s author. It was not my intention to offend anyone who was looking at it objectively.
He may be homophobic; grindcore.org is not homophobic.
Sincerest apologies.
Alright, but there wasn’t much to the video. He didn’t really prove anything. Just showed us some videos and told us his opinions, and then told us his opinions were right. :/ I mean, I agree, and I shat myself when Demilich was the first band used, but it was sort of an arrogant video.
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Okay, i do agree bands that shouldnt be labeled as grindcore being labeled grindcore blows.
But as far as that, those bands arent deathcore either. I might get alot of hate, but i like deathcore. that was teh gateway for me to get into grindcore and brutal death metal. i still like it, there are still some good deathcore bands, but the bands you were talking about are shitty all around
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