Comments on: Is it more metal or more punk? http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/ Grindcore music, grindcore bands, grindcore musicians, grindcore album reviews and more at GRINDCORE.ORG Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:42:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Damien http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-322 Damien Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:49:56 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-322 The most important thing in grindcore for me, is the classical punk blast, a.k.a. D-beat(kick+hat/crash, snare, kick+hat/crash, snare), like in one of my favorite grind albums, Razor Sharp Daggers (1995). It's punk, and I want it to stay punk! The most important thing in grindcore for me, is the classical punk blast, a.k.a. D-beat(kick+hat/crash, snare, kick+hat/crash, snare), like in one of my favorite grind albums, Razor Sharp Daggers (1995).

It’s punk, and I want it to stay punk!

]]> By: PJ http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-320 PJ Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:45:45 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-320 I like to think of pure grindcore as compared to pure grain alcohol. By itelf it can be hard to swallow. Bands that simply do pure grindcore in my opinion are almost unlistenable. It's that fast, indecipherable, constant 1000 bpm drum frenzy underneath those deeply gutteral/castrated cat vocals. Over and done with in 20 seconds. They're also a dime a dozen as it's pretty simple to do. I can't think of any 'pure' grindcore bands that have reached anything above mediocrity even within it's own genre. I think it's when you dilute the poison that it can be truly savored for what it is. It's holding back and letting go that truly helps amplify the brutality of what grindcore is supposed to be all about. It's the hybrid bands in my opinion that stand above the cattle. And yes, I'm calling Napalm Death a hybrid of both Grind and thrash, as are bands like Pig Destroyer, Nasum, and Burnt By The Sun. Agoraphobic Nosebleed utilizes industrial twinges in it's onslaught. Extortion straddles both grindcore and punk. In my opinion all of the poignant bands in the scene that stride forward do so by diluting the pure grain with that which not only amplifies it's main ingredient but enhances it as well. I like to think of pure grindcore as compared to pure grain alcohol. By itelf it can be hard to swallow. Bands that simply do pure grindcore in my opinion are almost unlistenable. It’s that fast, indecipherable, constant 1000 bpm drum frenzy underneath those deeply gutteral/castrated cat vocals. Over and done with in 20 seconds. They’re also a dime a dozen as it’s pretty simple to do. I can’t think of any ‘pure’ grindcore bands that have reached anything above mediocrity even within it’s own genre.
I think it’s when you dilute the poison that it can be truly savored for what it is. It’s holding back and letting go that truly helps amplify the brutality of what grindcore is supposed to be all about. It’s the hybrid bands in my opinion that stand above the cattle. And yes, I’m calling Napalm Death a hybrid of both Grind and thrash, as are bands like Pig Destroyer, Nasum, and Burnt By The Sun. Agoraphobic Nosebleed utilizes industrial twinges in it’s onslaught. Extortion straddles both grindcore and punk. In my opinion all of the poignant bands in the scene that stride forward do so by diluting the pure grain with that which not only amplifies it’s main ingredient but enhances it as well.

]]> By: John http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-319 John Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:47:46 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-319 it depends on the band i think. The British Grind bands tend to have a more punk sound to it but the mainland European bands tend to be more metal, but as for the American bands it's either metal as fuck or just straight noise examples British example Mainland Europe Example American Example (this one is metal as fuck ans straight up noise) it depends on the band i think. The British Grind bands tend to have a more punk sound to it but the mainland European bands tend to be more metal, but as for the American bands it’s either metal as fuck or just straight noise

examples

British example

Mainland Europe Example

American Example (this one is metal as fuck ans straight up noise)

]]> By: Morbid lad http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-310 Morbid lad Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:28:31 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-310 Will there be any updates soon? Will there be any updates soon?

]]> By: Kane http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-309 Kane Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:01:09 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-309 I think bands like Napalm Death (forefathers of grindcore) and ENT etc. take a lot from that just filthy (in a good way) crust punk, and they take a lot from each other, All of the early (soon to be) grindcore bands were in constant competition with each other to be the fastest and loudest etc. they also were in subtle competition with bands like Morbid Angel etc. I recommend getting the book "Choosing Death" - http://www.choosingdeath.com/ it explains a lot. with interviews from all of the bands who were there. I think bands like Napalm Death (forefathers of grindcore) and ENT etc. take a lot from that just filthy (in a good way) crust punk, and they take a lot from each other, All of the early (soon to be) grindcore bands were in constant competition with each other to be the fastest and loudest etc. they also were in subtle competition with bands like Morbid Angel etc. I recommend getting the book “Choosing Death” – http://www.choosingdeath.com/ it explains a lot. with interviews from all of the bands who were there.

]]> By: mr.Scum http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-286 mr.Scum Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:22:33 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-286 I am grindcore, I am not punk or metal! Grindcore have nothing to do with stinky-punks, or with gay-heavy-boys! Grindcore is DEATH, DISORDER, COPULATION, CLARIFICATION and PEDANTRY! I am grindcore, I am not punk or metal! Grindcore have nothing to do with stinky-punks, or with gay-heavy-boys! Grindcore is DEATH, DISORDER, COPULATION, CLARIFICATION and PEDANTRY!

]]> By: infested http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-274 infested Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:56:06 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-274 Interesting! I believe a lot of the "grindcore is metal" sentiment also comes from the aesthetic: If it's heavy, it must be metal. Not so, I think metal has more to it than a sound. Distorted guitars, harsh vocals, blazing drums -- these are all aesthetic common to many genres. So, I'll pitch in my two cents -- grindcore is probably more punk in nature. Interesting!

I believe a lot of the “grindcore is metal” sentiment also comes from the aesthetic: If it’s heavy, it must be metal. Not so, I think metal has more to it than a sound. Distorted guitars, harsh vocals, blazing drums — these are all aesthetic common to many genres.

So, I’ll pitch in my two cents — grindcore is probably more punk in nature.

]]> By: Eddy http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Eddy Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:32:05 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-273 I've noticed that alot of people seem to associate Grindcore with metal more than they do with punk. While Grind may have metal influence it is still (and in my opinion always will be) a sub-genre of punk. I think the reason many people associate Grind with metal these days is because of the newer styled Grind bands (Blockheads, Gadget, Splitter, etc...) that tend to sound more on the metal side, but even in their music, one can still hear the heavy punk influence. I’ve noticed that alot of people seem to associate Grindcore with metal more than they do with punk. While Grind may have metal influence it is still (and in my opinion always will be) a sub-genre of punk. I think the reason many people associate Grind with metal these days is because of the newer styled Grind bands (Blockheads, Gadget, Splitter, etc…) that tend to sound more on the metal side, but even in their music, one can still hear the heavy punk influence.

]]> By: RagSoul http://www.grindcore.org/2009/10/10/is-it-more-metal-or-more-punk/comment-page-1/#comment-268 RagSoul Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:59:54 +0000 http://www.grindcore.org/?p=187#comment-268 Grindore imo is, metal withe punk feeling. ;) Grindore imo is, metal withe punk feeling. ;)

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